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V10 Sport Gen 2 vs Current Design - by: SpaceSputnik

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Just wondering how significant are the differences between older Epic V10 Sport and the current design. We have a couple of club gen 2s (circa 2012) floating on the used market for a reasonable price.
Newer ones are not available used and the club layup is now unavailable which would bump my expenditure more than twice compared to the used. Are the differences that critical?
I plan to keep my V7, so I would have a fallback where rock solid stability is important.

PS I am aware of the difference points such slower, less stable, old bailer and no carry handles.

Thanks!

Epic V10L old model Vs Epic V10L new- whats the di - by: Joanna Dounias

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Im a very small framed 48kg 5ft6'(female paddler) looking to buy an Epic V10L Performance. I prefer ocean paddling to flat water and have been paddling a friends old model Epic V10L Performance ski- 14kg and loving it- the one with the black stripe- not new one with black tip.
Thinking of buying the same ski (old model) but wandering if I'm better off buying the newer model Epic V10L performance with the black nose- much more expensive. What's the difference between the old and new model- other than aesthetic? Does it behave differently, faster, different dimensions, foot adjustment et, tippier? Is it worth paying that extra thou?

Think Evo II vs V10 Sport - by: SpaceSputnik

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Now that I am in a full on "next boat" research.
How does Think Evo II compare to V10 Sport? It certainly appeals to me aesthetically. Are they similar speed/stability? Also I hear the V10S has a large bucket, is it any different on Evo? I am 5'6" 160 lb.

Which is better suited for big conditions and surfing?

Evo is a but cheaper and seem to have carry handles and a day hatch. These are not super important factors though, but still nice.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Realistic Pace Expectations - by: Gooch

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I am new to Surfski but am over the hump on the stability issues and getting my stroke closer to where it needs to be. I use a Garmin triathlon GPS to track my work outs and am curious what is realistic for speed and how much I can still gain.

I am 6'2" 190 lbs. Extensive fitness back ground but 51 years old. I paddle mostly early mornings on flat water and am in a Epic V10 sport (gen1). I can go for about 1-2 hours and hold 5.4 - 5.6 MPH avg pace. My max speeds are usually around 6.5 on any given day and my cadence is usually around 65 RPM (measuring one arm)

Is it realistic to think I can get to a sustained 6 MPH in this boat? should I work to increase cadence more or power more?

Appreciate your thoughts.

fitting a cadence sensor to a paddle - by: kevin brunette

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Does anyone have experience of fitting a cadence sensor on a paddle? I have a GARMIN FR910XT that can receive cadence input, but this seems to be limited to placing the transmitter on the crank on a bike. Would an accelerometer provide the necessary signal if placed on the base of a blade? Does it need to be a GARMIN product?
Another method to measure cadence could be to link the device with a foot pod placed under a footpad. Has anyone considered this?

K1's - by: nell

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I'm in the market for a new K1. I demo'd a Vajda Infusion 2 a few weeks ago and thought it was great - it really felt "planted" like it had good primary stability and didn't want to roll while I was underway. So, by default, I'll get one of those.

But, now Vajda has the Infusion X out. It's supposedly the same hull with a few minor tweaks, and a more modern sleek deck. I won't have the opportunity to try one anytime soon.

Has anyone paddled both the Infusion 2 and the newer X and can comment on the change in feel if there even is any?

EBorgnes

Converting a rowing machine into an erg - by: SpaceSputnik

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A neighbor of mine has a rowing machine that he can sell to me for cheap. I am wondering if that can be converted to an erg.
There is this video here for example


Anyone has done something like this?

Thanks.

Paddle grabbing enough? - by: firtree

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I am a pretty new paddler with an S18S and an Epic Small Mid wing paddle. I keep reading about feeling like your paddle is in cement or rock-solid, but I just don't get that feeling and wonder if I am doing something wrong. If I am pushing hard to get up to speed I quickly overpower the paddle and cavitate, but even when I am just cruising along, I don't feel a lot of pressure on the paddle. The paddle just feels like it is pulling nice and smooth through the water. To be clear, I am not unhappy with my speed over water (I am doing an unimpressive 5mph average over an hour), but something seems off. If it matters, I am 6' 220lbs and reasonably strong, though without the best endurance. I am working on getting and keeping my stroke rate up higher to keep me moving along at speed.

Thanks!
firtree

Paddle for whole body and mind health - by: de Florette

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Over the last few months, I have been paddling less and less due to work pressure, this combined with winter blues turned me into an alien creature that I did not recognize anymore. My hips had become stiff, I loss muscle tone and my adoring wife kept reminding me to drink less and look after my bulging tummy. She encouraged me to go on the water for she knows all too well the calming effect that it has on me.

It's funny to say this, but paddling in open ocean seems to ground me, make me a better person, clears my head of those voices that I sometimes hear but am not able to keep quiet... So, here I am at 5am sipping on a strong short black, trying to motivate myself that I should go paddling today, the ocean is calling, in fact, in big surf, I can hear and smell the ocean from my backyard. That morning, I could smell it! And it was this salty fragrance that makes you yearn for more. I tried not to rush my coffee as it gives me the jolt that I need to keep me going. I then consult my 2 favourite web sites 'seabreeze.com.au' and 'windguru.cz' and between the two, I have a pretty good idea of what to expect on the open ocean. It felt cold outside, in fact it was precisely 6 degrees centigrade, so I piled on a few layers of clothing, including a singlet that I wore during the Ocean Series a few years ago (when I was a lot fitter and stronger), my Bridge-to-Beach cap, tights, life jacket and paddling boots and off I went to seek solace where I belong. The predicted swell was 1m75 from the SE and 12-15 knots SE winds. I loved those conditions as I affectionately call it the La Perouse Express.

As I start to paddle into the swell and oncoming wind, I got reminded on the right course by a school of garfish gliding past. Soon the swell and backwash from the Malabar headland make a mess of the gentle conditions so far. The trick here is to relax and not tense up, trusting your craft and letting your hips loose is the way to go, along with the occasional brace. Soon enough I manage to navigate past this challenging section, only to be rewarded by huge, powerful ground swell about 10 seconds apart. The beauty of SE swell is that you can ride the back of the swell and you can accelerate into the next wave. I was starting to feel the sensation of being in a very fast lift as I was setting into a nice cadence which would intensify as I was surfing more and more, gliding past each wave towards the entrance of Botany Bay. As you go further and further away from the coast, various thoughts come and go, I tend not to resist them, I acknowledge them and focus on my paddling, and before you know it, they become insignificantly insconspicuous and you fully connect with the elements. I am also conscious that I am very lucky to have a stable craft that I trust in big conditions and I have the skills to stay upright and move the craft at a decent speed. The swell digs deeper and the crest rise higher. And as I reach the section about half a kilometer off the cliffs at the entrance of Botany Bay, the cliffs turn to gold in the rising sun. I then decide to turn around and I want to get back home at a decent time to get ready for work.

The paddle back is a story in itself... the swell is a touch too fast for me to catch but when I do catch it, I realise that my cadence needs to change if I am to make the most of the power of the ocean. I drop the paddle a little and I give it a good kick with the hips as soon as I feel the back if the ski lift. Boy oh boy, here we go now... the craft becomes alive, my breathing is slow but deeper, I am now an ocean warrior heading towards the cliffs at crazy speeds, the spray blowing at the top of the breaking waves remind me that I need to correct my course of I do not want to become a diving wreck! I wish at this point that I had a camera to record nature at its utmost beauty, when all of a sudden, out of a wave comes a swooping albatross coming to check me out, I could see its underbody glowing orange with the rising sun. I swear and praise the Lord at the same time, and before I can call upon the Saints, another 4 fly overhead in a formation. The paddling becomes secondary for a brief moment as I try to appreciate this very privileged moment. As I am the only floating object on the water 2 kms from the beach at Little Bay, they are attracted and the swoop around and decide that they would rather eat something else. I have seen them before but never in such a large group.

Negotiating the bombie at the southern headland of Long Bay, makes you want to wee in your pants but your survival instinct takes over, my eyes scanning the surface of the water for holes and backwash direction. I change direction quite often and pick up some pace. By now, my craft has become an extension of my body, my paddles an extension of my arms and my legs are like anchors glued to the foot plate, whilst my hips are like the a well oiled CV joint in a 4WD!

As I get into calmer waters in the safety of Long Bay (not the jail), I start to ponder on the wonderful voyage that I had just experience. At this point in time, I minds starts to drift again, as I think about work and in particular this colleague that has been stressing me out,,, and you may have guessed what happens next! Yes, I fall off and I momentarily lost focus and more likely had a mini panic attack myself. Thank goodness, the water is at around 15 C and I have my remounting technique well rehearsed. As I stabilised the craft and start paddling, I keep reminding myself that this bloke cannot hurt me... I have just survived waves which make land disappear for 2-4 seconds at a time in front of my eyes, being eaten by 5 albatrosses and had paddled beside a school of happy garfish!

I had a great day on that day. I was still cold until about 10am but I was noticeably calmer than usual. I greeted this bloke with a smile and whatever he said or did, made no difference to the serenity inside of me. I thanked my wife that evening for encouraging me to go for a paddle. In fact, one of my colleagues made a comment like 'you look like in a different zpace'. I probably was,and I had the feeling of having spent the whole day sailing big ocean swell all day, and that feeling lasted for most of the day...

Jean

Felling of falling back in V8 - by: BumpHound

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Hi surfskiers,

I am new to surfski and have an Epic V8. I am 6'2 170 lbs and I am digging the boat and paddling. I love the speed over OC1 and SUP! The boat feels stable and manageable enough.

But...I am feel like i am fighting to keep my upper body from falling back. It is almost like the boat is doing a very subtle wheelie and I am fighting (think sit-ups) to keep my shoulders over my ass. I have adjusted my foot brace in small increments from very little knee bend to two fists under my knees (I settled in the middle for the moment) and have added a 1 cm pad under my bum to see if that would help. Still struggling with this.

Any thoughts?

Feeling of falling back in V8 - by: BumpHound

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Hi surfskiers,

I am new to surfski and have an Epic V8. I am 6'2 170 lbs and I am digging the boat and paddling. I love the speed over OC1 and SUP! The boat feels stable and manageable enough.

But...I am feel like i am fighting to keep my upper body from falling back. It is almost like the boat is doing a very subtle wheelie and I am fighting (think sit-ups) to keep my shoulders over my ass. I have adjusted my foot brace in small increments from very little knee bend to two fists under my knees (I settled in the middle for the moment) and have added a 1 cm pad under my bum to see if that would help. Still struggling with this.

Any thoughts?

Surfski foiling: The dawn of a new era - by: mamaru

Surfski Drysuit? - by: DrA5

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About a month or so ago, Oscar showed a surfski specific drysuit he was testing that appeared to be a morphing of a wet suit and dry suit together. He promised more info shortly after his Instagram post, but I haven't seen anything since. Was there any further information on release? Material make up? Retailers? Cost? Benefits?

Surf Ski Coach Podcast: Re-Mounting Beach & Open Water - by: Paddle2Fitness

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Hello paddlers, Our latest Surf Ski Coach Podcast is now ready for you to download from our web site or iTunes. This month we discuss "Re-Mounting from a surf beach or open water". This episode was thanks to one of the surfski.info regulars 'tve' who requested we do a podcast on mounting a surf ski off a surf beach. Happy paddling. www.paddle2fitness.com.au/podcasts/

Buoyancy with a punctured hull - by: SpaceSputnik

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Just to follow up on a question someone asked on FB. What happens if a surfski hull gets a hole in it? Will it fill with water and sink?
Are the hulls typically one big empty space or sectioned with bulkheads?
I know my V7 has two bulkheads around the hatch area at the back but it's not your typical layout.
How is it on proper composite boats such as V8 or V10?

Repair a leak - by: mickeyA

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My old glass Fenn XT’s steering cable tube has pulled away from the rudder compartment. The boat takes on water, about a gallon for a 30-45 minute rough water paddle. I knew the dislocated tube was a possibility so I taped off the rudder cover on the deck to keep water from coming DOWN into the rudder compartment, but it still leaks. After months of unsuccessfully searching for the leak, I have finally realized water may be coming UP through the metal rudder shaft cylinder, into the rudder compartment, and eventually into the hull where plastic tube is missing. Is this likely? Could that much water go around a fairly tight fitting rudder shaft, in an upward direction (tail does go under water frequently), fill up the compartment and overflow into the small-ish cable hole? If so, what’s the easy fix, i.e. without major surgery? Thanks.

Roof rust from wet ski - by: manta

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Hi

I don't store my ski at a club so I need to transport it. How do I stop the top of my car from rusting putting a wet ski on the roof every single day?

I have taken to spraying the ski with fresh water out of a plant sprayer. It takes some of the salt water off the ski and then also dilutes the salt on the actual car. I am not sure if this will help long term though. Anyone else have a similar issue and if so how are you dealing with it?

Thanks

Carbonology Sport "Vault" a midpackers review - by: AR_convert

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This is my mini review of the Carbonology Sport “Vault”.



As per my forum name I am an adventure racer, I have been paddling seriously a little over two years now and in that time have progressed from an Epic V10 Sport to an Epic V10L and in that time have also paddled lots of other boats in my search for the ideal all round boat for the paddler who hasn’t got 4 or 5 days a week to paddle.

In reviewing this boat I have used my experience on the V10 sport and V10L as benchmarks, these two boats were very carefully considered purchases and I was very happy with both of them as per other posts that can be found under my username.

Due to a recent shoulder injury I had to call upon the services of a paddler to form a veterans team for one of the worlds largest adventure races staged here in Western Australia (WA). The paddler was a South African now living here by the name of Martin Gunda.

Martin was also a V10L (elite) paddler but had recently started paddling the Carbonology Atom in the carbon lay-up. Although I had heard and read about the Atom I hadn’t had the chance to see the boat until meeting Martin at the King of the Cape race a few weeks before the adventure race.

I went away having been very impressed with the boats clean lines and finish, I didn’t dare ask to paddle it as it looked far too big a step up for this mid pack paddler and besides it didnt look like a tall fella like me would have fit in it :blush: .

When I sold my V10L a couple of weeks ago, I started looking at what boats were around. I emailed Martin to ask his opinions on whether I should take a look at the New Carbonology Sport “Vault”. I have to admit when I first heard the name "Vault" is made the boat sound big and heavy (like a bank vault) :huh:

Martins reply went like this

I took the Vault out for a 15km paddle on Sunday morning. Richard Eadie had done a big downwind a week earlier and he averaged 16 kmh!!
The conditions I took it out on were a lot more placid. This boat was around 12.5 kg. I popped a butt pad in the boat…because I have to. The cockpit is more open ie built for a bit bigger paddler and you don’t feel as snug as in the Atom. Still the boat has a similar feel. It’s got more volume in the nose, and behind the cockpit. It’s slightly wider too. I’d put it in a category close to the V10 in terms of stability, but still 5.95m. It’s certainly no slouch. I could accelerate the boat from 10km/h to 16km/hr quickly, never had a brace stroke out at sea and the trick is to keep the rhythm going such that you are above 11 kmh ie on the plane. Into the wind it is still good with little slapping of the bow. On a flat day the atom would out perform it. On a big downwind that extra stability and volume would have it the same or quicker than the Atom. It probably about ½ to 1 kmh slower than the atom on the flat but definitely more stable. And it has 2 bullet venturies which make very short work of water.
It would be worthwhile for you to have a paddle on this.”




So today I rang Gary Butlion, another South African now living in WA who imports the Atom and the Vault under the banner of “ Viva Paddlesports ”. I spoke to Gary quite a while back when I heard about him setting up shop here as he had planned to build a version of the Atom as an adventure racing/downriver special here in Bunbury, about 90 minutes south of the Capitol, Perth.

Later I spoke to Gary and unfortunately the commercial reality was that production costs would be too high here to be competitive and so while he has gone ahead with the Atom multisport boat, it is produced in SA and imported along with the Atom and Vault boats.


I drove the 90 minutes south to meet Gary and we brought the Vault out for inspection.
Once again the Carbonology Sport presentation was faultless. I would rate the finish of this boat better than almost any other boat I’ve encountered accept the gleaming Epic’s, but there’s something about the smoother lines of this boat that I find more appealing.


( L to R - Gary Butlion & I)

This boat was the hybrid model, a combination of carbon and glass that brings it in at a tidy 12.5kg.
Having come from a 15kg boat the difference upon lifting it was immediate, even though it’s only 2.5kg, the difference in lifting and handling the boat made it feel much more.
On went the Garmin forerunner GPS and off I went for a roughly 8 km paddle.


I had to work through a few km of estuary and harbour waters before hitting the open ocean and even then the chop and swell only amounted to 1 -2 foot at best, however there was quite a bit of confused water as the swell refracted off a sea wall and it gave me a good idea on how the boat moves in what I find often challenging conditions when in the V10L.

There was a moderate breeze blowing so I ran the boat at all the various angles that one could encounter and every so often peeked at the GPS to see how I was tracking speed wise.

The boat left me with these impressions.

Primary flat water stability is somewhere between the V10 sport and V10L.

Secondary stability is again between the two boats, not as reassuring as the Sport but in the confused water and any side chop/swell it was an improvement for me over the V10L.



One big difference between the V10L and the Vault is the depth of the seat or maybe it’s the height of the cockpit sides, either way the boat is very dry, the venturi bullet scuppers are very efficient and where the V10L would have up to an inch of water splashing around in the footwell the vault was almost constantly dry.

Going through some chop that would normally see water on my lap in the V10L I didn’t have any water entering the cockpit.




This trait is similar in the Atom and Martin remarked that as the cockpit sides are high he can actually brace against them with his lower legs in big conditions to help with stability.

I found the cockpit very comfortable and would guess that it is the same width as the V10L, it fits me very nicely, combined with the high cockpit sides I certainly felt part of the boat and could imagine feeling quite secure in bigger conditions.

The footplate and adjustment seemed to be almost identical to the Epic set-up (functional and easy to adjust).



I really liked the rudder feel (feedback) and action, it felt much more connected than other boats I had paddled and I'm assuming this may have something to do with the use of metal cables as opposed to spectra cord?


There is a grab handle and bungy cords at the front of the cockpit but it didnt dawn on me until later that there weren't any bungy cords over the rear deck which can come in handy for stowing the lifejacket my missus makes me take out but doesnt get worn ;) I assume this may be done on purpose as I would anticipate a side saddle entry into this cockpit would be near impossible and so the surfboard style entry using the handle at the front of the cockpit is probably the way to go.

The boat didn’t feel any faster to me than other boats I have paddled. Upon returning home and downloading the GPS, I compared some average times with paddles in my own boat and a V12 performance recently. I have my Garmin set for 500m laps so I can look at average times through the paddle.

I would rate them all about the same in flat water, even though the V12 performance and my V10L were 2.5 kg heavier.

In mentioning the V12 I suspect the V12 has marginally less primary stability and I would rate secondary stability about the same as the Vault.
Viva Paddlesports

At $3500 for the 12.5kg hybrid (Carbon/Glass) ski it is more than competitive with other similar boats on the market in WA.

Gary told me that as there is no middle man he is able to keep his boats prices down, and another advantage he offers is that he personally backs the boats, although he hasnt needed to effect any warranty repairs to date he has had customers who have had the misfortune of damaging thier boat and Gary has had them back on the water quick smart, peace of mind here in the West!

For those attending the Mandurah "Duel" Ocean versus Estuary paddle Gary will have the Atom and Vault at the Expo for demo.

Just a footnote to the day. Before packing up to head home I asked Gary if I could see if I could fit in the Atom and to my suprise I could, with relative ease, so I took it for a quick blast and in one word..."Wow", this boat fly's :woohoo: within about 30 metres I was giggling like a child, BUT...although I didnt fall out, it is the type of boat that would need lots of time in on a regular basis to remain quick over longer distances and in anything but calm water, it will be very interesting to see how this boat fairs in the multisport and downriver racing scene next winter.

Transitioning from Epic V8 Pro when only paddling twice a week - by: uk gearmuncher

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I like my Epic V8 Pro but I've mastered it in my local waters so want to move on to something more advanced but realistically still achievable to paddle. The Revo R3 looks interesting but if I were to stay with Epic's, would a V10 G2 or new G3 be a step too far do you think when I only paddle a couple of times a week ? (The V10 sport is so close to the V8 Pro in speed to make its purchase not worthwhile).

Any thoughts ?

Revo Ski's - your reviews, experiences, assessment of build quality, etc. - by: uk gearmuncher

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Has anyone tried the new R1, R2, (or particularly) the R3 Revo ski's recently. I've started to see some great social media of how they look (and I like their alternative approach to design) but I'm not naturally an early adopter to a new product and I'm wondering if the build quality of the ski is anything like an Epic or other more longstanding brands. The paint jobs look outstanding but I'm not sure how resilient that would be to everyday use ? Has anyone had a good look or a paddle of one ?

Any thoughts ?
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