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Nelo 550L vs Epic V10 Sport - anyone paddled both ? - by: uk gearmuncher

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I haven't tried the Nelo 550L yet (hoping to soon) but having currently got an Epic V8 pro (and finding that more than comfortable) and then just having tried the V10 G3 (and found that a likely step too far), I was likely heading off to get a V10 Sport. However, I've been recommended to try Nelo's 550L. 

Has anyone paddled both and have any thoughts ?

Custom built ski - by: Rossb

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Hi
Some of you might remember 8 or so months ago I posted 5 videos on my channel in which I describe the repairs I made to a Fenn Mako XT ski. In the first of these I showed some brief footage of a custom built timber ski.In this new video I demonstrate another new ski, based on the same design but with a few mod's that make it a little lighter.

I also catch a few rides with the repaired XT and prove what we all knew - its a great board. But - no surprise - I like mine better![/size][/color]

Velocitek Makai on surfski - by: nd_1975

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I have both a V8 and Evo III, i have used my Garmin 910xt for years but as I get older I can't see the numbers as well anymore. I wear a Fenix 5 on my wrist so don't need the tracking anymore. Has anyone used the Velocitek Makai on their surfski and have an opion? 

Thanks,

Neal Dunn

Molokai! - by: PSwitzer

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Anyone here doing the race, or have friends in Hawaii gearing up for Sunday?  The energy has been building for the last couple weeks, and now that the forecast is looking favorable, it is ramping up big time.  

The Makapuu warm-up race went off 2 days ago, in a building NE wind and south swell that made the run to Portlock really light up, everyone drank deeply from the downwind chalice, yet the thirst only builds!

Pat Dolan was the only big name on the start line and he romped through his local playground in typical fashion, crossing the line at the Hui Nalu boathouse a half mile clear of the competition in a new forest green 18 pound Vega.  Aussie James Porter took out second place four minutes later, winning the "not Pat" division in front of locals Kai Bartlett/ Borys Markin and Durban challenger Tyron Maher.  

The international field got a small taste of the complex near-shore Oahu waters, as the racers were shunted around a turn buoy perhaps a half-mile into the Kaiwi channel that forced a critical decision early in the race:  Stay wide in the bigger surf and shoot the rhumb line to the corner of Hanauma Bay?  Or use the swell angle to head in towards Sandy beach, then work the rebound off the cliffs to sneak an inside line in hopes of staying out of the current?

I chose the latter, and felt pretty good about it 15 minutes later when I spotted race director/local legend Jim Foti hauling ass across Sandy's on an OC2 with youngster Luke Kaminskas in the front seat, who may not be old enough to have a driver's license!  The inside line was paid an unexpected bonus crossing the mouth of Hanauma bay, where a massive eddy briefly flattened the bumps into a cauldron of boiling froth that slung the paddlers out into the final downwind stretch down "The Wall" from Hanauma to Portlock.  This section is always lively, but it can be hard work on a more easterly tradewind direction when the reflected waves are bouncing more directly back out to sea.  In those conditions every wave is hard work as you must punch over and through big chops, like skiing down a mogul field.  Sunday's run was exceptionally fun and easy with steep paddles-up holes criss-crossing at perfect angles allowing for endless linkups and dry cockpits.  

The last section of the course from China Wall through the reefs of Maunalua Bay has infamously crushed the dreams of countless paddlers over the decades.  Like Homer threading the needle through Scylla and Charybdis, the homeward bound Molokai racer must choose between two monsters:  Option A is to swing wide in relative safety but at the price of a longer course, worse current and often stronger headwind.  Option B is to stay tighter to the shoreline and enjoy exhilarating surf runs, with the dark cloud of destruction hanging over one's head.  A word of caution to those who may cleverly decide to seek a middle compromise:  As Mr. Miyagi counseled us, if you do not commit to one path or the other, you may find yourself squished like grape. 

And speaking of getting squished, a shout out here is in order for the tireless dealer reps and local repair guys that make this race happen.  Thank you so much for making sure we have these amazing toys on which to paddle this incredible race, and thank you for only briefly cursing under your breath when we break stuff doing dumb things before fixing it for us in the nick of time and sending us on our way.  Really, thanks a million.  At the start line Sunday, the low tide coral heads claimed one paddler's rudder, and Epic rep Kenny Howell was able to run back down the road to his truck, swap the rudder and get the paddler to the start line, although he himself was not able to make the gun.  What a guy!

Thankfully for the Makapuu dash, our Scylla was taking a rest day, probably saving up her energy for the main event.  Playful chest high waves lined up perfectly through the inside, making it an easy choice with no sacrifice required for the competitors who had done their homework.  I certainly enjoyed the view watching the surf battle between the Jim/Luke OC2 and OC1 vet Mario Mausio as they charged right through the heart of the reef system, rooster tails flying!  

So now all eyes turn to the big day on May 26- even with a favorable forecast (east trades, 15+) it is impossible to say what exactly we will find in the channel.  The tide is minimal on the half moon, so racers will need to look elsewhere for the extra push to claim the huge cash purse offered by the sponsors for a record breaking crossing.  On the ladies side, we've got only 10 women so far taking a crack at the title and massive payday.  Calling all dark horse crushers! 

There is an interesting swell pattern forecast with medium sized south and northwest crossing paths in the channel, combined with the tradewind swell it will be anything but straightforward for the paddlers, with great opportunity for the open water veterans to connect the dots.  The pros will be linking it up all the way home, but the mid packers have to take an honest look in the mirror and ask ourselves  "Do I have the power and endurance to chase down the bumps for four hours?"  It's easy to be a surf hero closing on Portlock during a Makapuu run, but it's a totally different story with 3 hours  of hard work already sapping the body, mind, and spirit.  Especially since the channel has so many different sections, with the runs being easy rarely, hard mostly, and forget-about-it at the moments when you desperately wish it were otherwise...  It is a big chessboard out there and not at all obvious when and where to apply your precious physical energy and mental focus.

I want to extend a warm welcome to everyone that comes over for this race, especially to the scores of Australians that save up and make the trip often enough to keep the thing afloat.  It is a big deal to commit, especially since we've been skunked for wind more often than not over the last 15 years.  Here's hoping everyone has a terrific crossing, and all around excellent vacation.  Long live Molokai!
- Patrick Switzer



  

Anyone go 'Walking With Giants' this week in SoCal? - by: MCImes

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California has had some crazy wind and waves this week. We had 35kt wind and higher gusts a couple days ago, 25kt on monday, and ~18-23kt last night. Maverick's (a very famous surf spot by San Francisco) had 20+ footers all week. My area had 6-11ft waves and small craft advisory all week. 

Further south by LA, I looked at the ocean Monday and Tuesday and decided it was too hectic to attempt. Waves were critical in open water and breaking everywhere and anywhere. Yesterday finally calmed down a little bit and I went out in some of the biggest conditions I've felt comfortable going out in (and only 1 swim :) ). 

7-8ft is no freaking joke. Its the first time I've been a mile off shore and had double overhead+ swell pass by regularly. Steep swell too. When the 4.5ft ground swell merged with the 3-7ft wind swell, it easily produced 8+ footers with a much steeper face than usual. I almost thought one monster was going to break on me in open water but it fell apart just before it got to me (thankfully). I've been out in 7 ft swell a few timesl, but typically its longer period, like 12-18 second. This was much shorter due to the high winds and a steep faced 8 ft wall of water is quite intimidating!

last week we had large ultra long period swell, like 2.5ft @ 22 seconds according to surfline. When it slowed down and stacked up a couple hundreds yards off shore they were easily the same size as last night or bigger. Probably 7-10 feet before they went critical but I wasnt riding them, just floating along. I had a blissful moment sitting just outside the far edge of the surf zone watching a monster set crash in. On that standout wave of the night, I was eye level with the wall in the parking lot so my head was easily 12+ft above the trough.  With the ultra long period swell like that, I cannot believe how much power is in the wave when it breaks. I wonder how many gallons of water is in a wave like that...

it makes me wonder, how do you aussies get through 6'+ surf on a regular basis? I have practiced going through surf up to about 4', but more than that an im afraid of damaging my boat (and generally getting clobbered).

Anyone else go out and enjoy the waves of the week? 

Stellar S18SG2 footplate too wide - by: 996023127265225@facebook

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Hello guys (and girls ;) )
First of all thanks again for the help to find my new ski.
Still very happy with the S18S BUT!!!!!!:
There is a problem. I am a tall guy so i have the footplate in the last possible position. But the problem is that the movement range of the steering paddles is restricted by the sides of the cockpit. After ~1.5cm of travel, I hit the side and it leaves scratches and I have the fear of damaging the hull when I hit the same space over and over again. I heard that some companys offer longer footplates for larger guys, that would solve the problem. Is that the case with stellar? And if not, can I just saw and file the edges of the paddles without damaging the structure? I need to get rid of at least 1cm of carbon.

cheers
Justus

Water in hull - by: Epicpaddler

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Hi all.
I have an Epic v8pro that just recently started taking on water. I never noticed it before, but after a race last weekend I heard some water sloshing around in the hull. I turned the boat upside down and lifted the bow and stern to drain the water through the vent plug hole. About a cup or so of water came out. There are no visible gaps, cracks, damage, or popped seams that I can find. The boat was never upside down or taking waves over the bow. I'm sure a little can find its way in through the rudder lines. How much is normal? Should I be concerned? The boat is less than a year old.

Thanks

Another new sit on top K1/Ski hybrid from ski manufacturer - by: uk gearmuncher


Does Nelo 520 have a round hull ? - by: Jef58

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Piggy backing on the SOT/K1 threads, I read where the Nelo 520 has a roundish hull compared to other beginner type skis.  I prefer a round hull over the flattish ones in the sloppy water I paddle in. Does anyone have a good picture of the profile or compare it to a Think Eze. I currently paddle a Genius CLK but would love to have a SOT K1 trainer or the closest thing to it.

2019 Molokai Challenge Results - by: Kupuna4x

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Are the results of the 2019 Molokai Challenge posted somewhere?

Western Australia wave spots - by: Rossb

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I've just got back from walking the Cape to Cape in SW WA and couldn't help noticing the long lines of what looked like eminently surfable swell good for a surf ski along the coast around margaret river.  Are they any good for skis? If not where are the good breaks for surf skis in that part of the world?  
Ross

Newbie Questions - by: STC67

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Hi, a couple of questions which are probably really basic and maybe a little impatient after only 2 lessons.

1. I've just started paddling in that I have had 2 lessons and from what I believe, well instructed on technique. What I have found is to paddle with the right technique in the right body posture is really fatiguing for only just a few minutes. I find it hard to comprehend paddling for 1 or 2 hours like that. Does it get any easier?  I have an old cycling background (now 50+) and envisaged long enjoyable paddles on the water (similar to a longer slow ride) but I'm not sure a "recovery" paddle status  will ever be achieved. When I started cycling I could comfortably ride for a couple of hours and eventually built up to where I could nearly ride all day.  I would like to participate in some paddling events but at the moment the uncomfort of the technique over 1&1/2 hours turns me off a bit.

2. I am cramping in a muscle in the back/side of my hip (glute?) after about 30 min. Particularly if I put my legs over the side when stopped for stability. Anybody had experience with this before and how do you train for that? Could this be the fit of the ski or just an unfamiliar body position over a longer period? Does it pass?

3. My stability in flat water has been pretty good. On a Fenn XT and I don't actually tip yet although the water has been very calm. I'm just not sure if that means I should look for a more challenging ski as I don't comprehend how much harder the jump is to paddling in the ocean. I have had some experience on a SUP with this which was rock stable on the flat and near impossible to stand on in the ocean.

4. To get more time on the water I will need to buy a ski at some stage. How many skis should I paddle before buying one as I am not sure what I am looking for in a fit. The hip cramping has me a bit worried the Fenn XT ski doesn't fit despite it otherwise feeling comfortable when I first sit in it. I don't know what to look for but I know how important a bike fit is for longer ride comfort.

5. Being an old surfer I want to paddle in the waves. Not heavy beach breaks but longer less steep waves. Are the ocean skis actually up to this or should I be looking at a SLSC style ski and maybe another ski for flat water?

Sorry for all the length of questions.

Thanks

Recovery time and seeing benefits - by: mrcharly

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(info - age, early 50s,  average athletic ability).
I'm trying to build my speed and stamina (ability to sustain speed). 
Hence taking training more seriously. 
So this week that has been:
Mon 6 x 4 min intervals, 1min rest
Wed 20 x 2min intervals, 1min rest
Thurs 10.5km time trial
Sat or sun (planned) 21km steady paddle, aiming for about 2hr 15min (it is shallow water with portages, so speed is kept down a bit).

On thursday I was very tired during the time trial. Still fighting off lingering chest infection so I couldn't breath deeply. Time was a little disappointing. 
How long to recover from hard sessions? I'm assuming 48hrs
How long before I should see benefits (improved speed and stamina)? 1 week? 2?

Any tips on this repair? - by: wrybread

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I pitch poled my well worn but much beloved Huki S1-X while riding a wave and did some serious damage to the bow. After excavating a bit it goes all the way down to the canvas. Does anyone have any advice about how to proceed (short of getting a new boat, ha)?

I was thinking about just doing a few small pieces of fiberglass over the canvas until I have it built up to the level of the rest of the boat, and then maybe some carbon. 

And the top and bottom half have separated in some areas on the bow.

I use the boat mostly for surfing and down winders, so a bit of extra weight isn't a huge deal to me.

Thanks for any help.

Science behind speed and glide - by: SpaceSputnik

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Hi All
I an having difficulty explaining the concept of efficient acceleration and cruising to some of my friends. I have observed a build up of speed with an occasional pause in the stroke as well as a shorter stroke letting the boat "do it's thing" as opposed to slogging relentlessly.
In my Evo this effect is very observable on my GPS watch.
Is it just the braking effect of tue paddle at catch and drag at the end of the longer stroke?
My friends seem sceptical about the "less is more" aspect.
I seem to intuitively get it, but explaining it in a scientific manner is a problem.

Grip Strength Aid device? - by: MCImes

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Hi guys,
I have a friend that expressed interest in trying surfski, but he has an old hand injury on one side that leaves him with weak grip strength. He's otherwise fairly fit, but probably does not have enough grip strength to hold a paddle at a moderate pace for an hour or something. he said strength training / condition improvement from physical therapy is not expected. He did the therapy to get to where he is now and is expected to remain this way.

Luckily he used to paddle a long time ago and the injury was on his non-dominant hand, so I think if he used a grip-aid he could probably paddle again (nothing too wild, but enough to be effective on flat-ish water).

Do you know of a grip enhancing glove or device? Im thinking of something that holds your hand in a clenched position or something along those lines. I did a google search and the finger rehab glove is kind of what Im talking about, but it owuld be nice if it was a glove instead of a velcro contraption. Is there anything similar but better than this on the market for the physically impaired? (im thinking of products made for the disabled, injured, stroke recovery, surgery recovery, para-Olympics, etc)

Thanks!

Nelo 560 ML? - by: kayakercon

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Hi,

I know the Nelo 560(L) and 560M have been covered extensively here, but I could not find any updated review of the 560ML. So I'm looking for any feedback from Nelo 560ML paddlers.

I demoed and liked the 560L, but the bucket was way too wide. I do not have a 560ML near me to demo. I read that the 560ML was a combination of the hull of the 560L with the shorter, narrower bucket of the 560M-- can anyone confirm if that is true? Or does the ML have its own unique bucket (i.e. narrower than 560L, longer than the 560M)?

I am hoping that it will be narrower than the 560L and longer than the 560M.

For reference, I am 5'11' and 80Kgs, 32 inch waist, narrow hips. I currently paddle (and love) the Epic V10 G2. But I'm looking to upgrade to an elite boat and looking at my options. I have briefly demoed Epic V14, and Think UNO as well, but just for a few minutes each on flatwater. I liked both, but I am intrigued by the design concepts of the Nelo (shorter, narrow catch, quick acceleration, maneuverable on waves, etc.)

Thanks!

Masters of Surfski training - by: Wingnut

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I just purchased Dawid and Jasper Mocke's online training for surfski.  As a beginner with one year of experience and no formal training I would say it's excellent.  Professionally produced and well thought out.  It gives me some hope I might improve.  Formerly, I've paddled sea kayaks and felt competent with a good average pace, good roll, and all that.  Surfski is different and I've been in need of coaching like this.
I would imagine anyone needing a little help getting started will find the training beneficial.

DD3 Albatross? - by: MikeUnderwood

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A really nice DD3 Albatross has come up for sale in my area. Has anyone tried this boat? How does it compare to the more modern boats? I currently paddle a gen 1 v12 but I want something with more rocker. Was looking to the Elite S but the DD3 looks to be quite similar?

Is Motionize dead? - by: tve

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I was contemplating whether to get a motionize today, but they're sold out of everything, their android app hasn't been updated since 2016, their website hasn't been updated in eons either. Looks like the company is basically dead/abandoned? Does anyone have any info?
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